Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Rob Bell's "Love Wins"

I read the book (which already puts me in rare company for people giving opinions on it). 

Perhaps my biggest thoughts upon completing the book have to do with other issues than what was in the book itself.  Here's a couple:

1)  Orthodoxy

It's amazing the amount of anger that Rob Bell has drawn from the evangelical Christian community with this book.  People who consider themselves leaders in the evangelical Christian community have been launching angry rhetoric against Rob and the book since even before the book was released!  The biggest claim thrown out is that Rob Bell is a "heretic" for making claims that don't fit with "orthodoxy."

For those of you unfamiliar with the term, orthodoxy refers to the way the Church has traditionally understood God and scripture through the years.

Here's the funny part to me: these cries of "heretic" and "unorthodoxy" come from the Evangelical protestant community whose heroes were "unorthodox heretics".  You see, back in the day the Church was just the Catholic church until along came some guys who said, "I'm not sure if the church has gotten things right all these years, let's go back to scripture and make sure."  And sure enough, the early Reformers came to some conclusions that quite differed from the Catholic church.  They came to different conclusions than Church tradition...they were "unorthodox" (and as such excommunicated from the Church).

These Reformers have become the heroes of the Protestant Church.  Churches name themselves after Calvin, Luther, and Wesley...all men who strayed from orthodoxy to go back and look at scripture with fresh eyes.  And now their unorthodox positions are the standard for orthodoxy.  Ironic, isn't it?

And now Bell does no different.  He attempts to look at the scriptures (in this case regarding heaven, hell, justice and love, and, yes, he covers them all), not through the lens of what Luther, Wesley, and Calvin thought about them, but through the lens of what Jesus, Paul, and the other biblical authors might have been trying to say in their context.  And he's being labeled as unorthodox.

And it begs the question:  Is unorthodox always a bad thing?

Do we think the church got it wrong for fifteen and a half centuries until a handful of Reformers righted the ship to the one true way God meant things to be?  And that they didn't miss anything?  Even though they lived just outside of the dark ages and had little access to sources that shed cultural light on the context in which the Biblical authors lived?  Even though they didn't have access to documents like the Dead Sea Scrolls and other historical documents that have shaped our ability to accurately translate ancient Greek and Hebrew?  

People will no doubt read this book just to find out if Rob Bell contradicts orthodoxy.  The problem with finding out if someone is orthodox or not is the assumption that orthodoxy is necessarily correct. I don't care as much about whether or not Rob agrees with Calvin, Luther, and Wesley as I do with whether or not he agrees with what the Biblical authors were trying to say. Those may or may not always be the same thing.

2) Correct vs. Beneficial

There are also many who will read this book who are just trying to find juicy quotes where they think Rob is incorrect. In the process, they would likely miss out on the parts that are still beneficial.

Whether you agree with 100% or 0% of this book, I believe it to be profoundly beneficial. Before Bell suggests responses to these difficult issues, he raises difficult questions--and these are questions the world is asking!

It saddens me that so many inside the church brush away the questions of the skeptics as illegitimate. If we are ever to truly love our neighbors, we must first understand the questions they are asking to be legitimate.  

In school, I was taught, "perception is always true." If someone says, "i feel unloved by you," then that is true, whether you were intending to or not. We need to be aware of this.

As such, I hope that people can be discerning thinkers in all areas of their learning and pursuit of God. Bell says in this book that, "he's just trying to add to the discussion," not set the new standard for theology. Take that for what it is. See the benefit, even when you may disagree with some of the conclusions.

Conclusion

I haven't said much about the book yet, but I really liked it. I'm thankful that he voiced many questions that challenge us to continue to think and pray through the message of the gospel. I don't know that I agree with everything, but I'm pretty sure no biblical interpreter (including myself) has gotten everything "right". Either way, I recommend you read this book and think, pray, and discuss in your church communities--not to see if Bell agrees with the reformers, but to see what truth and benefit might be present in this book.

(SIMPLE REQUEST: I realize that this note will get sucked into Facebook from my blog. However, I am not using Facebook until late April. If you feel like asking questions, commenting, or discussing this, I would prefer that take place on my blog (ryanyazel.blogspot.com) so that I can participate :)

18 comments:

  1. Is there a point when a generous orthodoxy moves into heresy?

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  2. I haven't read the book so I won't comment on it like many are inclined to do. But I will comment on your thoughts on being orthodox or unorthodox. I loved N. T. Wright's argument in his book Justification. He's defending himself against his critics who claim that he is unorthodox because he doesn't fully line up with Luther, Calvin, Zwingli and their Reformation buddies. But he argues that he is actually in more fundamental agreement with the Reformers than are his critics because the Reformers would have never held themselves up as a final authority on matters of doctrine, but would have gone back to the Scriptures themselves as the final authority, which is exactly what Wright was trying to do.

    So the question becomes: Who is more orthodox? Those who hold the Reformers as the lens through which to interpret the Word of God? Or those who, like the Reformers themselves, seek to get as close to the Word of God as possible through exegesis and study. The Reformers were, no doubt, inspired, but not in the same sense as was the Apostle Paul.

    The defenders of an uncritical orthodoxy would do well to remember the words of Luther himself, who said that if his writings could be defeated by Scripture, he would "be most ready, if I be better instructed, to recant any error, and I shall be the first in casting my writings into the fire...Unless I am convinced of error by the testimony of Scripture or...by manifest reasoning, I stand convinced by the Scriptures to which I have appealed, and my conscience is taken captive by God's word, I cannot and will not recant anything, for to act against our conscience is neither safe for us, nor open to us."

    And just to make it clear. What Luther is saying to us from history is that if Rob Bell (or N. T. Wright or any other person) convinces him "of error by the testimony of Scripture or...by manifest reasoning," then he, Luther, would himself recant.

    Perhaps we could all use a good dose of Luther's attitude...well, not the part where he calls Jews pig s*%t, but at least on this point.

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  3. @ Gordo - got a kindle?

    @ Matthew. Yoder - I'm not sure. Isn't heresy defined in reference to orthodoxy? I am more concerconcerned with whether or not someone is wrong than whether or not they are unorthodox. Straying from orthodoxy needs to be taken seriously because church tradition is valuable, but that doesn't mean we should ever stop doing what the Reformers themselves did- going back to scriptural intent.

    @ Allen - Wright's take on the comparison between the Reformers definitely helped form my thoughts on this. :)

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  4. @Allen - I just reread your comment and the question in your second paragraph frames my thoughts perfectly. Thanks.

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  5. good words. i will be sharing through both my facebook and my blog. @myclutterandfun.blogspot.com

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  6. Great post Ryan! I would argue that there are some main level doctrines that can be debated and argued, but with some major disclaimers, such as "contrary to scripture". Doctrines such as the deity of Christ, eternal punishment/reward, sovereignty of God, are confirmed and held up by piles of scripture, as well as Church orthodoxy. Due to the importance of "getting it right" and not leading brothers astray, we need to be very sensitive and careful when we discuss such important matters. I haven't read Rob's book, so I don't know what context he discussed hell in, and whether he stated his true beliefs and church belief, or if it was an open and unresolved questioning. Just a thought!

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  7. You have a great point that it is unfair for evangelicals to accuse Bell of heresy and being unorthodox--what is their basis? They believe many things the ancient churches consider heretical. I am sure Rob Bell actually has some very good thoughts and points that are Orthodox. I converted to Eastern Orthodoxy about six years ago. The Orthodox Church believes in hell, of course--but does not hold the common Western view that Hell is created by God for punishment. The Orthodox Church has always taught that the fire of hell is the fire of God's love experienced as misery to those who do not love God and other people. It is not the fire of hatred or wrath. Here is a link to a great speech by an Orthodox theologian given on hell. http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htm
    -Audrey

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  8. politics/religion are interesting because there are often cases where people automatically accept the reasoning because that's how it's always been. i know with all the "progressive" thinkers that would read a blog like this, my last statement would never apply, but.........

    i don't know everything about orthodoxy or about immigration, but i couldn't help but think about the parallel from your opening orthodoxy idea on how the ship was righted 1500 years or so later and the current view many have on immigration in the USA. i don't know where everybody came from, but i do know that my family came from Hungary, Russia, and Europe. My wife's family is from Italy, Europe, and some other places. our melting pot society, the idea of a Statue that welcomed people with open arms where liberty could be sought after, no matter where you were born, used to be an idea that America embraced.
    again, i don't take political stance, fiscal knowledge of how to run a government, but when did the United States "right this ship?"

    ryan--thanks for the post. we're going to read the book asap, but wanted to slide this thought to you.

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  9. @Joel - I agree that we need to be very careful and sensitive in our discussion of these matters. Especially since I believe that we as the church are to pursue the understanding of the scriptures together, which has led to formed tradition and orthodoxy.

    I do think it is valuable, though, that we have people who are challenging us to look at the Bible through the perspective of the original authors and audience. Some of that perspective seems to be lacking in interpretation throughout the years.

    Rob does present some "responses" to questions, but his thoughts arise from scripture and its interpretation in the proper context, which I appreciate...if there's one thing Bell does well, it's examining piles of scripture.

    I'm not sure how much of his conclusions I agree or disagree with yet, but I'm thankful for this process.

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  10. @Audrey - Thanks for your interesting perspective. I guess that's what perplexes me sometimes when talking about "orthodoxy". Which orthodoxy?

    I think it's fair to assume no tradition gets it all 100% right. So what do we do?

    Some would say, "Don't worry about it, anything goes." But I think we keep pursuing the truth in scripture through study, prayer, and community interpretation among people pursuing Christ...always pursuing Truth!

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  11. @Nick - interesting analogy...thanks!

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  12. Thanks for your careful thoughts, Ryan. I've just begun reading the book. Your post is encouraging and helpful in this discussion.

    I, too, will link to your post, if not use it... and give you due credit.

    thanks again.

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  13. @Mark - thanks for the encouragement. feel free to use wherever.

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  15. "...if there's one thing Bell does well, it's examining piles of scripture"

    Well said. So many people are so afraid of Bell, call him dangerous etc.. all because as many have said he throws out biblical truth.

    People who make comments like this clearly have not heard a sermon or actually read one of his books.

    His thoughts on Hell,... in the bible is a physical place and the word used in scripture references that place. Not sure how to process that. It does make me question if the spiritual place we call hell is something orthodoxy has created.

    I am with you "I'm not sure how much of his conclusions I agree or disagree with yet, but I'm thankful for this process." One thing can not be denied, he creates gets people seeking God and truth one way or another.

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  16. Thank you, Ryan, for your reply. "Orthodoxy" means "right teaching." The Orthodox Church claims to have faithfully passed down right teachings from Christ through the apostles. The Catholic Church, of course, claims this as well, though Orthodoxy considers the authority of the Pope and a few other doctrines of the Catholic church to be a departure from the Orthodox faith.
    Protestantism at first claimed to be faithful to the apostle's teachings, but due to splitting into thousands of denominations, has gradually moved to a skeptical and post-enlightenment way of thinking that rejects the idea that authority or right teachings can be found in any one church.
    Orthodoxy considers the dogmas of the church to be "holy mysteries" in the sense that we cannot wrap our minds or rationality around them, while we still hold them as certain. If this discussion over Bell's book causes anyone to want to explore the idea of orthdoxy, I recommend a really awesome book: "The Orthodox Way" by Kallistos Ware. Another good one was written by a Protestant professor who lives in an predominantly Orthodox country: "Eastern Orthodox Christianity" by Daniel Clendenin. Both awesome books! God Bless.

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